Putting Penn State On Hold To Spoil The Sparty Party

Gholston

I’m interrupting or perhaps delaying our deep dive in to Penn State for Homecoming (welcome back SNL’s Seth Myers!) this week to plop down some commentary on Michigan State. I’m intentionally doing this now so it is not perceived to be some “week of the game” type bias.  Also, let me get this caveat out of the way now, as I feel every Northwestern fan’s perspective must be caveated as it relates to the misperception that we have a “holier than thou” attitude because our coach and administration run one of the cleanest and above the board programs out there. Northwestern is far from perfect and not every player is a Kirk Cousins-like saint. However, after watching the Spartans-Michigan game on Saturday, a game in which I had no horse in the race, I was incensed watching the Spartans revert back to the downright unacceptable behavior in their rivalry. With Wisconsin on tap for Sparty, the dirty play will quickly become yesterday’s news outside of the Wolverine Alumni Association so I thought it was important to hit the pause button and call out a few things.

In case you missed the game, Sparty came out sporting their Nike pro combat special uniforms which were unveiled at the start of the season and specifically unveiled to let the big brother know, Sparty was going to bring it once again for a four year sweep. No problem with that.  I also have been carrying the Kirk Cousins banner on this blog after seeing his moving speech in person at the Big Ten Luncheon in August. I adopted Sparty as my second favorite team this year as a result. Again, this post isn’t directed at the ENTIRE Michigan State team, just head coach Mark Dantonio, DC Pat Narduzzi and the players who played on defense for Michigan State.

Right out of the box you could tell something was awry. Michigan State picked up a personal foul for a late hit on their first defensive series. Then another flag came. And another. At first, I thought it was just Michigan State being so overhyped that they had lost their focus. These things happen in rivalry games. But, as the game wore on it became clear this wasn’t a lack of focus and that there was a specific gameplan to throw 15-yard penalties in to the wind (literally) and do what it takes to take out Denard Robinson and inflict injury on the Wolverines. The Spartans picked up six – SIX – personal fouls for late hits (3), a punch in the face and an attempted twisting of Denard Robinson’s head off which was downright dangerous and what MGoBlog dubbed a “judo chop”. Three of the deeds were done by the same player – William Gholston – who will be getting suspended today - 3 DAYS AFTER THE GAME! For some context on Gholston even Illinois, whom we love to chide for being villainous, took extremely quick action to suspend LB Jonathan Brown for kneeing Northwestern OL Patrick Ward in the family jewels after the play. If that had happened in this game I’m not sure it would’ve even received a flag.

Michigan State partisans will point to Gholston as the lone wolf scapegoat and likely admit this is way out of bounds. Yet, why the hell wasn’t Gholston either ejected by the officials or more pertinent to my point, sidelined by DC Pat Narduzzi and/or head coach Mark Dantonio. The culprit, instead, was right back on the field. I was incensed at this point. Surely this would be corrected after the game and be admonished, right? Buzzzzzzzzzz. Think again. Pat Narduzzi’s postgame quotes made my stomach turn.

 

That’s what we try to do. Sixty minutes of unnecessary roughness. I’m just glad it didn’t called on every snap. – Pat Narduzzi, 10/15/11

 

Classy Pat, classy. Now, in his defense he AT LEAST acknowledged that there is a distinction between late hits and what Gholston did and unabated aggression.  Somehow, I wasn’t buying the distinction.  Can you imagine an NU player punching a guy after a play or worse, doing what Gholston did to Denard’s head? Fitz would’ve gone Woody Hayes on the guy.  I was marveling at Brady Hoke’s restraint.  Remember when Brian Musso got clocked by a blatant physical attempt to take him out by an Ohio Bobcat in 1996? Gary Barnett was at midfield and thanfully tethered by the headset or he would’ve wrestled then Ohio head coach Jim Grobe to the ground.  I was actually getting pissed at Hoke – “do something!”.  Take your team off the field, get in the ref’s face.  There is YouTube video to further support the Karate Kid evil John Kreese theory ( the merciless sinsai of the Cobra Kai).  This memo came from the top - “sweep the leg”.  Any one of these plays isolated, with the exception of Gholston, aka Karate Kid Johnny, is not a big deal. The confluence of plays in the same game are indeed a big issue in my book.

Chris Spielman, one of the ESPN analysts on the game found himself conflicted during this development throughout the game. He went from giving Sparty the benefit of the doubt and the on-air thought bubble of “I’m an Ohio State guy and don’t want to be seen as too anti-Michigan for obvious reasons” to the “I better speak my mind here because even as a Michigan hater this is downright ridiculous”. Spielman started calling out Michigan State’s coaching staff, which never happens from an announcer and my “am I seeing what I think I’m seeing” was backed-up by Spielman. When you’ve got Chris Spielman backing you up it is amazing how confident you get.

This blog all too often cites one bad example with a fan base’s fan and then paints the entire fan base in that color. Let’s face it, we’ve all seen our fair share of young NU jackass fans that if they were wearing a different color jersey we’d be ripped. With this in mind, I have a few Michigan State good friends and co-workers.  I thought if there was anyone who could give me a biased perspective of Sparty on this it would be them. The sample group of three was surprisingly consistent in their assessment that it was “embarassing”.

What’s more embarassing is the way the Michigan State staff has (not) dealt with it.  When Jonathan Brown’s incident happened, the suspension came from Ron Zook and Illinois in concert with the Big Ten. The Big Ten put out a press release underscoring the point that this type of behavior is not to be tolerated. The conference is on tour with an Honoring Legends Building Leaders tour (rolling in to Evanston this week -more on this tomorrow).  The entire theme of the brand campaign is honoring those legends from the best while building the leaders of tomorrow. Mark Dantonio perhaps missed the memo.  It’s Tuesday and now – a full three days later comes the suspension.  Is it hyperbole to think that Fitz would’ve tossed a player for Gholston’s actions?

Michigan is not without blame.  Mike Hart’s “little brother” comments in his presser a few years back was completely unnecessary and unbecoming. Mark Dantonio’s retort was even less flattering.  Sparty fans are pointing to Jonas Mouton’s punch in the Notre Dame game as the “see, see, you guys did it too!!!” example.  I’m quite confident if I were a Michigan player, and in particular an offensive lineman, I would’nt have been able to not take out my frustration on a Sparty player. Brady Hoke and none of the players went there in the postgame. No mention of dirty play, no heat of the moment bulletin board material. I’ve got a newfound respect for Coach Hoke and a new sense of disappointment for Coach Narduzzi and Dantonio.

The Spartans own Northwestern. They beat us annually in every way imaginable. Now, I’ve got a new game on the board that I want to win. Forget about Iowa. Screw the Illini. I want Sparty.  A year ago Michigan State’s best defensive back, Chris Rucker, was serving time in jail for eight days after a drunk driving arrest while on probation for an assault led to the time.  I’m not going to go in to the entire separate topic of college sports as a chance for redemption and a safe haven to learn from mistakes vs the exploitation at any cost debate. What I will mention is the fact that when Rucker returned for the Spartans undefeated record (after the comeback win over NU) on the line game at Iowa, Coach Dantonio put Rucker’s playing status in the team’s hands to vote.  Shockingly, MSU voted for Rucker to play right away and the Hawkeyes promptly smoked Michigan State. I’m still puzzled as to how this is becoming of building a leader. I was able to look past the embarassing 2008 MSU football fight involving nearly double-digit players at an off campus party involving MSU hockey players (ironically, in 2008 a former Michigan player (singular) nearly killed a Michigan hockey star).  I was maybe even willing to give Dantonio the benefit of the doubt on Chris Rucker, but I simply couldn’t let the actions of this game go without a non-Michigan/Michigan State perspective from being put out there.

I’d be curious to watch this game tape with Joe Paterno and see what his commentary would be. Perhaps we should blame Nike for the pro combat uniforms which Michigan State players admit gave them an extra sense of swagger. If the defensive play is swagger then I plead with Nike to stop the pro combat unis. However, by even mentioning them in this way I’m feeding the marketing beast for them to produce more! Again, this is not a blanket MSU= bad post. It’s pinned on the Sparty defense and Pat Narduzzi, the defensive coordinator.  I just feel duped. I believed what Kirk Cousins said. He told me what an honor and a privilege it is for him to play Big Ten football and how that privilege comes with a responsibility. It comes with a need to use the platform of being admired as a college football player to use that platform to make a difference. Well, Kirk, I’m asking you to rewatch the game and use that very platform to make the change.  If the coaches won’t, perhaps you can persuade your peers to do just that. I want to believe in all the good that you spoke of and I believe most think like you. Let’s revisit the speech and try to set Sparty back on course:

On a positive note…

Teddy Greenstein put the positive spin on a damning stat for the NU defense. As his article here points out, Northwestern is now dead last out of all 120 FBS teams on pass defense in terms of yards per pass (9.9).  What I like about this piece is that he calls on former ‘Cat DB standout Chris Martin for some commentary and also integrates some answers from Pat Fitzgerald that imply some personnel changes to try and bring some type of pass rush. I’m 100% a believer in what TG mentions about McGloin’s cofidence against NU. It was his breakout, confidence building game and he’ll be fired up after watching tape.

 

 

 

  • TU

    Hey LTP,

    I like the article, and completely agree that MSU and especially Dantonio need to be taking a lot more heat for becoming the new “Thug-U”. I just have a couple of corrections. Frank Solich wasn’t the Ohio head coach in 1996, Jim Grobe was. And when you write about the football player attacking the hockey player, I think that you mean Glenn Winston, who also played for MSU. It’s another disgraceful example of Dantonio’s lack of discipline and control over his team: “In April, he was sentenced to six months in jail for his role in an off-campus assault that left Michigan State hockey player A.J. Sturges seriously injured. Michigan State reinstated Winston in August, the same day he was released from jail after serving a reduced sentence.” He was then involved in the infamous dorm brawl before finally being kicked off the team. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5019173

    • Lake The Posts

      Thanks on the Grobe correction. Ironic as Fitz admires the heck out of Wake’s Grobe. Thanks for furthering my point. I’ve given Dantonio waaaaay to much rope in terms of not calling it out. Your points further feed the need for this dialogue. Every single program has issues with a player or players from time to time. It’s the reaction from the coaches, implicitly condoning the actions of Sparty on Saturday that set me off. They knew what happened and had the Cousins-implied “platform” to make a statement about it literally and figuratively. Chalking it up to a line of aggression is a joke.

    • Yinka Double Dare

      He’s not wrong, Michigan had a walk-on football player sucker punch one of our hockey players late at night on the sidewalk and severely injuring the hockey player. That football player was immediately kicked off the team permanently.

      Oddly enough, that same Michigan hockey player (Steve Kampfer, now with the Bruins) was the one who was sucker punched and then slashed while he was down on the ice by two MSU players during a MSU/UM hockey game. The sucker puncher in that game was also involved in the first Winston group brawl that resulted in the MSU hockey player injury.

  • http://www.northwesternhighlights.com Northwestern Highlights

    I don’t feel duped. I lost respect for how that coaching staff operates the program a while ago. No disrespect to the players and the fans, but the staff just wants to win. They don’t care about holding people responsible for their actions.

    • Mark

      Totally agree. After the dorm incident it was clear that winning football games is the only concern. Narduzzi’s comment is another example. If an NFL coach said something like that he’d be fined.

  • AntiqueCat

    At the Michigan game, I was listening to a MI fan – and most of them are good guests, reasonable folks – talk about his respect for NU and most of the other conference teams, and his – and other MI fans’ – anxiety about Sparty. He said something like, “The other teams play football, but we don’t know what Sparty plays.” They expected a dirty game and it seems that they got it.

  • Jim

    Student-Athletes-Who’s Accountable ?

    I’m not the tooth fairy.

    But, where’s the institutional responsibility/liability for this type of behavior ?

    • Lake The Posts

      Tbe Big Ten weekly press conference ended and Dantonio had a whole post full of quotes that deny accountability. He chalked it up to split second decisions and BS like that. My blood is starting to boil.

      • baileyemmons

        Let it boil. The feelings of bloggers across the Big Ten aren’t what is going to determine the appropriate outcome to this perceived problem. If anything the complete overreaction to this across the internet is probably making MSU look at it all more closely. They aren’t going to suspend someone to satisfy Lake The Posts.

        There is zero evidence to support the idea that this is a dirty team overall. Gholston got out of line and he was penalized for it during the game.

        Heck, Narduzzi was named assistant coach of the week by at least one organization.

        Fascinating is that the Michigan team and coaches continue to say nothing, but over here in Chicago, it’s somehow a big deal.

        Jim Schwarz nearly incites a riot at the Lions game and doesn’t even get a fine, but Gholston should be labeled a dirty player for actions in ONE game.

        The fascinating part is this blog goes on and on about how NU takes its foot off the gas when they get a lead. MSU kept up intensity for the whole game and they were rewarded with a win.

        • Lake The Posts

          So you mean to tell me that despite Gholston intentionally – and I challenge even you to defend it wasn’t intentional – trying to injure players on three separate occasions in said game that it is on par with Schwartz chasing after an over-exuberant Harbaugh? C’mon.
          Michigan players and coaches didn’t say anything because they were being classy. I GUARANTEE you there are Michigan administrators who have been on the phone with Big Ten officials on this. No doubt MSU played great defense and Narduzzi being named DC of the week by one organization is not mutually exclusive from their being regrettable acts of unsportsmanlike conduct. If this blog were to get one person at MSU to look closer at the situation then mission accomplished.
          NU taking its foot of the gas and a player trying to rip someone’s head off, literally, aren’t what we are talking about.
          Sorry, but as a fellow member of the Big Ten it is a big deal to me. I guess we agree to disagree.

          • baileyemmons

            I have a hard time calling a punch thrown in retaliation for getting drug around by your facemask ‘intent to injure’.

            No use here for the facemask twist at all.

            That being said, we’re talking about a 19 year old kid here. Not an axe murderer and certainly not a 40something year old man like Schwarz.

            Bottom line question–when can you be sure that a player like Denard Robinson is actually down?

          • skepticat

            Hey, Mr. “Measure Up” is back! Glad to see you again!

            Tell me, was that before or after your only non-conference opponent of any significance basically tied to your team to a chair and smacked them across the face with a dead fish for 60 minutes? Oh well, you can’t win them all, I guess.

            But let me help you out with some points you’re obviously confused about:

            A punch, by mere nature of being a punch, is intent to injure. Whether or not it was in retaliation for something else really isn’t relevant. But don’t take my word for it:
            http://www.google.com/search?q=killed%20by%20punch

            As for knowing when Robinson is down or not, fortunately there are a clear set of rules that tell us when he’s down, and that would be when either his knee or elbow touch the ground — even if he’s untouched! When he’s completely sprawled on the ground with defenders on top of him, trying to break his neck “just to be sure he’s actually down” is … hmmm, how shall I say it … “extracurricular” at that point.

            Also, there’s a pretty large area between a toddler that doesn’t know any better and a psychopathic axe-wielding killer that’s covered by the term “inappropriate behavior”. But hey, if you want to defend indefensible actions because, after all, the guy didn’t go after anyone with an axe, then good on you. Do you and Brian Kelly drink at the same bar?

  • http://LakeThePosts DT

    @LTP-
    With all the performance issues surrounding our program, why the diatribe about Sparty? For goodness sake, with Oregon and Boise State being two of the most exciting teams in college football and moreover, holding the intrigue of many top flight recruits, The “Pro Combat” uniforms they busted out earlier this will be emulated and used as “Special” by numerous teams under contract to The House Of Swoosh. If Sparty should be penalized for anything, it should be the fact the uniforms looked liked the UAB Blazers… Not exactly intimidating…

    In terms of the stuff in Michigan relevant to Northwestern– is that seemingly it is positive that NU does not have a hockey team. For what its worth, a pal of mine played football at Minnesota (and high school/Junior Hockey) in the 70′s and early 80′s. Was not unusual for the football players and hockey players to engage in a bit of machismo on a regular basis after a few beers or over a cute gal… What every 16-20 something jock forgets, is one can get hurt, and hurt badly in those exchanges… It happens at all levels of play, from D-1 to NAIA to “club”… Nature of the beast…

    C’mon… Sparty, their off-field problems and if they play dirty are so far off the NU radar of relevance right now, not sure why we are even going there… Worse case sceanrio, channel your Rodney Ray and pick up a chair when they hit Evanston!

    • Lake The Posts

      Sorry DT, couldn’t resist and as I stated, I thought it would have more objectivity now, when Sparty is the farthest thing in our minds then when we were playing them and it would be perceived as typical bias.

      • http://LakeThePosts DT

        In terms of dirty play, IMO, NU is gonna be hard pressed to find anything more overt than the knee in the nuts via #45 on Team Zook… For my nickel, The Chief always fields a chippy, mouthy bunch in and out of The Ten… Sparty, has nothing on them…

      • Jim

        Kudos to LTP to take a stand on this !

        I think the posts by LTP, PRR and the majority on this site appreciate having the MSU behavior exposed to a wider audience.
        The underlying tone on this site conveys that fighting the battle effectively requires character. It will never be just about the ‘W’ to me. I think the MSU players are being shortchanged by the institution and their fans if they think this kind of machismo is what this is all about !

        • http://LakeThePosts DT

          @Jim-
          C’mon… To say that MSU players are being shortchanged by the institution is more than a bit self righteous. Really, bugs me when well meaning folks like yourself come on this blog and intimate NU and its athletes are seemingly above all this… 16-25 year old males will be just that… To condemn Michigan State or for that matter any member of The Big Ten Conference in that manner is both self righteous and reeks of a holier than thou mentality that much of the conference dislikes about NU and its fans…

          I get LTP’s point, but let us not live in glass houses of a purple shade..

          • Jim

            I’m really sorry D.T. that you think this is self righteous. If this happened at Northwestern or any other institution, I’d say the same thing.

          • Lake The Posts

            @DT – I’m with Jim on this one. Actually used your exact verbiage in my caveat – re-read it – I specifically addressed the holier than thou and glass house scenario. I had nothing against Sparty. I would have had the same article had it been Purdue, Penn State or Indiana for that matter

          • http://LakeThePosts DT

            Jim/LTP- I get where you guys are coming from, but think you are thin skinned on this one… It’s football guys and stuff like that happens on every play… I guess I played a bit to much hockey… No big deal what those players did per se. Now, #45 on U of I? Over the line…

            Hey, call it the way you see it guys, self righteous or not…

  • Baileyemmons

    Why dont you all read this before deciding that Miami State has entered the big ten

    http://noise.typepad.com/hey_joe/2011/10/it-was-kind-of-a-joke.html

    • Eric

      Thanks for adding some sanity. I’m shocked that people took the Narduzzi quote at face value. It was CLEARLY tongue in cheek.

      As for the rest of this nonsense, whatever. The MSU coaches have repeatedly said they do not coach that behavior. Why would they? Of course, people will say “Yea, but what do you expect them to say? Admit it?” Well, the proof is in the pudding. MSU has ONE GAME where the number of personal fouls is excessive in the 4.5yrs Dantonio has been coach and now they are a bunch of dirty thugs. Puhleeeeeeeeze.

      • TT2

        Gholston’s punch doesn’t bother me much — I figure punching somebody wearing a helmet and facemask in the head may do more damage to the puncher than the punchee. It is, however, according to B1G rules, an automatic suspension.

        I haven’t seen a clear enough replay of Gholston’s arm-bar on Lewan to have formed an opinion.

        Gholston’s attempt to injure Robinson, though…have you seen that replay? Robinson is down. The whistle has blown. State defenders are laying on him. Gholston jumps on Robinson. OK, that’s a 15-yard late hit — no major harm done. The way Gholston then grabbed Robinson’s face mask and yanked it — HARD — can be seen as nothing more than an attempt to injure (possibly seriously injure). I’m certain the only reason he wasn’t thrown out of the game is because the refs didn’t see it.

        I think the problem most people have is that rather than do the obviously right thing — suspend Gholston — Dantonio appears to be trying to string this along so that Gholston doesn’t miss the Wisconsin game (maybe even the Nebraska game) and is suspended later against weaker competition. If that’s not the case, why didn’t Dantonio (or somebody at MSU) come right out, say it was inexcusable, and announce a suspension?

        My impression is that it’s MSU appearing to be trying to game the system that’s infuriating people.

      • Mark

        The outrageousness of Narduzi’s quote wasn’t the literal meaning of the words (which was clearly braggadocio), it was conveying that he had no problem with his players’ behavior. There were six personal fouls in that game, and I don’t see how you could argue that any were not deliberate attempts to injure the Michigan players, except possibly for the roughing the passer penalties (and I honestly think those were, too).

        The number of personal fouls was outrageous, but the content was moreso. When’s the last time you saw a college player tackled by his hair? Players are punched in games only a few times per year in a game, and a big deal is made out of them, even when that same player didn’t also twist the head of a player laying on the ground or chop a player’s hands in a (successful) attempt to injure him–and that one wasn’t even called.

        I’m a Michigan fan, and have spent the last several days fuming at Mark Dantonio and Michigan State’s defensive players, and I would have spent them fuming if we had won. Hard hits between the whistles are fair game, and sometimes players get injured by them. There are questionable plays that happen just after the whistle, and those happen. But when one team is consistently engaging in dangerous behavior, intending to injure the other team, including well after the whistle, people should call them out, and I thank LTP for doing so.

        • baileyemmons

          So Mark–did you find it offensive when Lamar Woodley knocked Drew Stanton out of a game on a questionable hit in 2004 and your entire stadium erupted in cheers?

          • Seth9

            The stadium erupted in cheers because someone managed to make a play on Stanton and deliver a hard hit when he had been shredding us all game. From the stands, it looked like a clean big hit. Once it became clear that he was injured, the cheering stopped.

            Furthermore, your complaint has absolutely nothing to do with the acceptability of MSU’s conduct. And if you are reduced to bringing up a completely different situation from seven years ago in an attempt to defend your school, then you must realize how disgraceful and disgusting your school’s actions were.

          • baileyemmons

            At this point I’ve come to the conclusion that Michigan fans will find any reason to dislike something when they’re scared of it. It’s not as much fun from the other side of the rivalry is it?

          • John B.

            Baileyemmons – what exactly was “questionable” about Woodley’s hit? Stanton was scrambling and Woodley tackled him. Was he supposed to let him run 80 yards for a TD?

            Also, being at that game, I can assure you that once it was clear Stanton was hurt, fans went quiet.

          • matt

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Xhaeu19Jg
            Skip to 41:38.
            I have no issues with the tackle, but you can clearly hear the crowd quiet down a couple seconds after Stanton is tackled and then start cheering loudly when it becomes clear that Stanton is hurt.

      • Shawn

        Take another look at the pudding. MSU was flagged for 5 personal fouls in 2009 against UM and UM was flagged for 0.

        Thugs.

        • baileyemmons

          This is a fascinating and shiny new rubric youre using to determine thug status.

          It’s not MSU’s fault that the Michigan line can’t block a blitzer and he ends up hitting your qb too hard.

          • John

            I don’t mean to offend you but have a serious question — do you ride the special bus to school? I’m starting to think sparty fans are the dumbest in College football.

        • Jason

          What’s funny is that it shows more what Michigan doesn’t get called for. MSU had 2 personal fouls all year coming into the game. This is a Northwester blog and no one on here apparently had any problem with UofM’s Kovacs ripping the helmet off Persa? No penalty? What about a UofM player punching a ND player right in the face during their “Under the Lights” game? There was no penalty there either. Michigan gets away with murder every game. No one is innocent of this. We’re not condoning what Gholston did, but it’s not a dirty team. It’s a physical team. If you went over the tape, you could find UofM personal fouls against MSU tit for tat.

      • Tom

        One game in 4.5 years?

        Michigan State constantly commits egregious late hit and behavior based PFs in the M/MSU game. So much so that it caught the attention of the WSJ:

        http://professional.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576639093283303646.html?mod=ITP_personaljournal_3&mg=reno-secaucus-wsj

      • PeterKlima

        On reflection and after bad press, the MSU D Coordinator decided to say it “was kinda a joke.”

        That is a joke in itself, right?

        I think the MSU disciplinary track record is clearly more than this one game.

  • Mark

    TT2, one quibble that only strengthens your argument: watch the punch again. It’s to the chin, under the facemask.

  • Tater13

    Let us not forget the incident a few years back when an Ohio State player choked a Wisconsin QB. Guess who was the DC of that OSU squad? Why it was none other than Mark Dantonio.

  • minnesotablue

    As a lifelong Michigan fan I have always had a love-hate relationship with Michigan State. I mean, I love most everything from the the State of Michigan, but obviously State is the big instate rival. But still, I’ve pretty much done all I can in attempting to root for them, when they’re not playing Michigan. I had a great deal of respect for MSU basketball and Tom Izzo (although I wonder if Tom isn’t being affected by whatever it is that infects the sports culture in E. Lansing), and would always pull for them come NCAA tournament time.

    Anyway… I’m actively rooting against MSU now. It is simply embarrassing. I don’t know how you can be a fan and be proud of that team. Dantonio, Narduzzi, Gholston???

  • maizeman

    To the poster who said ONE bad game in 41/2 years, you need to get your facts straight. In the five times MSU has played U-M they have been flagged for 20 unsportsmanlike fouls…20! Seems to be a bit more than just an anomaly. Appears to undeniably be premeditated towards Wolverine players. Facts are facts!!

  • Detdik313

    @Matt 5:59 PM. I have heard MSU fans saying this over and over again, and I watched the video once you posted it. Let me tell you what I saw and heard:

    The fans cheered when Stanton went down. Then the cheering started to quiet down when he stayed down. Then it stopped. As the announcers were going back over the play (which was a clean hit), I heard the crowd cheering again. I thought, OMG they are right! Until the camera returned to the field and Stanton was walking off.

    Thank you LTP for addressing this. As an UM alum, I am disappointed we lost, but had we won I would have been just as outraged. I would have been downright furious and extremely embarrassed if the behavior displayed was by any of our players. If you watch the videos, I find it very, very difficult to defend the actions of those players. At the end of the day, these guys are kids. As football players, they take the risk of being injured, sure, as football is a rough game. Several of the actions in this game were nowhere near related to a football movement and neither the Michigan family, the Big Ten, or the MSU faithful deserve to be represented in that manner.

    In my view, there are many more important things than winning. Honor, integrity, and respect are among them.

  • flipside82

    I’m sick and tired of hearing all this crap about MSU being dirty and playing dirty. Like UofM has never played or dirty or tried to intentionally hurt a player. Wait, I believe that was the case when they intentionally took out Drew Stanton in 2004 because they were getting beat. Yeah, State played aggressive and got some dumb penalties and did some stupid things, but come on already. The game is over UofM lost again and the UofM fans can’t live it with losing again to MSU. They have to continue to bring up penalties that allowed the UofM offense to continue their drives, but did they score or take advantage of these penalties, NO!! The UofM offense could not move the ball successfully even when they had extra downs because of stupid, bone headed, unnecessary penalties against MSU. So, lets just drop the excuse of dirty play for losing this game and move on. Yes, there was stupid plays and Gholston should have been ejected, but again, UofM had their EXTRA chances to score, but they didn’t. I can understand changing coaches every year hurts a football program, but just be resigned to losing to MSU every year. It’s just how it’s going to be.

    • Lake The Posts

      As I’ve stated time and again, I’m not a Michigan fan, I’m a Northwestern fan. I have no horse in this race. That’s why I thought my objectivity would matter. Don’t blame Michigan fans for this opinion, blame me. Each day that goes by that MSU doesn’t proactively address this by suspending (why wait for the Big Ten?) Gholston is exponentially underscoring the point. Seems from this vantage point, with Wisconsin on tap, all that matters is winning. As MD said “there is nothing that will diminish” the victory against Michigan. Glad he doesn’t care that other fan bases thinking his priorities are out of whack and not teaching the player a lesson and representing MSU the right way only hurt Sparty’s perception. Has zero to do with Michigan.

      • baileyemmons

        Why should any coach care what another fanbase thinks of him?

        Michael Floyd got a drunk driving arrest and didn’t miss a game for Notre Dame because Brian Kelly didn’t see the educational value of a suspension…I missed your indignant rant about that one.

        You clearly feel his actions rise to the level of a suspension. Clearly MSU does not. Perhaps the Big Ten will disagree, perhaps they won’t.

        You’d get a lot further going on and on about this if you directed your ire toward one player. Instead you chose to blame an entire program for a perceived ‘lawless’ atmosphere. That’s what gets people like me up in arms.

        A few bitter Michigan fans put youtube clips up and act like they aren’t mad they lost, they just feel that justice should be done, which is utter crap. And the idea that they were gentleman on the field Saturday is also utter crap (way to shake hands after the game guys).

        Should the officials have ejected Gholston, by the letter of the law, yes…but they didn’t. They did flag him however.

        If a 20 year old player’s actions on the field color your perceptions of a university that severely, then I can’t help that.

        But I question who has the out of whack priorities. I don’t think it’s MSU.

    • Scott

      there was NO deliberate attempt to injure Stanton! he got hit, he got hurt. if Denard got hurt because of a clean, hard hit, no one would be complaining.

      the issue is CLEAR, DELIBERATE attempts to injure certain players by MSU. THAT is what is at issue. Other teams do not play this way, and when it does happen they take swift action to suspend the players (like Michigan did when Jonas Mouton, our best LB, threw a punch last year).

      why do i feel like i’m talking to 5th graders when i’m arguing with Spartys. THESE CONCEPTS ARE NOT DIFFICULT.

      • RubberbandMan

        Mouton was suspended by the Big Ten the Friday after the game. Gholston was suspended by the Big Ten the Thursday after the game. Get off your pedestal, you delusional Wolverine. Other teams do play this way; namely, yours.

        Also, I believe even a fifth grader would know the plural form of “Sparty” is “Sparties”, although I have no idea whether or not you’re arguing with our mascot right now. BUT I TOO WILL END MY STATEMENT IN ALL CAPS TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL IMPORTANT.

      • RubberbandMan

        In addition, suspending your “best linebacker” for the Eastern Michigan game must have been a real sacrifice. Even then, you wouldn’t do it yourselves; you had to wait for the league to step in.

        Does it smell of Wolverine arrogance, delusion, and hypocrisy in here? Or are those all qualities I smell from the author of this blog? Fascinating that there are enough NU fans to actually have a football blog, though, really. You guys are adorable. I can’t wait to smack you this year.

  • Lake The Posts

    Are you joking? Has Gholston not been suspended. Not sure what needs to be reviewed considering the three unsportsmanlike acts are pretty prevalent on YouTube. What a joke. Boo MSU. You screwed up the handling on this one. Why would you wait for the Big Ten to weigh in when you know something was done wrong and isn’t to be tolerated? Illinois’ Jonathan Brown kneed an NU OL in the nuts and even Ron Zook IMMEDIATELY said it would not be tolerated. By Monday (36 hours after the game) Zook AND the Big Ten came out and said “1 game suspension” and there was a statement on the fact there should be no place for that. What the hell is going on?

    • RubberbandMan

      I’m aware it’s tough for a Northwestern fan to comprehend solid, fundamental, hard hitting defense. But what I’m unclear about is that there was no outcry from a Northwestern blog when the Michigan defense ripped off Persa’s helmet by the facemask last week. That’s just part of the game to you, but heaven forbid some other team in the league does it?

      What the hell is going on here, indeed? Michigan has been getting away with crap like this for years. No one calls them out on it; they just accept it as part of the game. But as soon as another team does it to them, some nobody blogger from a school totally unrelated to the game springs to their defense and condemns an entire university as being full of thugs and criminals? If you think the MSU defense is mean, fine. Besides the fact that every team takes cheap shots at each other during a rivalry game (just look at Taylor Lewan’s filthy play), it might just make you fear them all the more. And really, all you’ve done is make it that much more enjoyable for me when I get to watch Gholston take the field against a hobbling Dan Persa.

      You can bet your ass I’ll be cheering for some hard hits that day. And if you don’t like it, you can go cry about it on the interwebs a little more, because it’s called football.

  • Rashidi Wheeler

    I think we should worry about making Northwestern football practices safer for players before worrying about other programs’ supposedly dirty habits.

    • Fred Lieb

      While you’re at it, how about making post-game celebrations after significant home victories for NU (however rare those might be) less hazardous for the students involved also.

      • Randy Walker

        You know, I think having anything to do with the Northwestern program has a significant impact on one’s life expectancy.

  • Mohammed Hachad

    I admit it, I was a stiff. I would have struggled to get playing time at Loyola or UIC.

  • Trevor Barnes

    I would like to apologize for the previous posts. These were in poor taste. The individuals who made the above posts have been permabanned.

    I’m off to my civil war reenactment this weekend. But it’s an “alternate reality” Civil War in which the transistor radio was invented in the early 1850′s, thereby allowing participants to listen to radio broadcasts during the reenactment. So I’ll be able to catch the UW-MSU game. HELLO AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • JEANBAPTISTECLAMENCE

    Lake, I’d like to get your thoughts on this Michigan player punching this Notre Dame player. Please limit your response to three or four paragraphs. And, if you decide to include “thug” in any part of your commentary, then also address the Fab Five and their thuggery:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNVBc7p3luc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • PaulGascoigne

    LTK –
    Do you think the University of Michigan football coaches watch game film? The punch by Hawthorne in the 2011 Notre Dame – a Michigan player punching a Notre Dame player in the face following a play – was at the same level as Gholston with one distinction: Gholston was actually provoked. There are plenty of online resources available re: Lewan from Michigan, his quotes I might add, that support the fact that he himself is a dirty player.

    For perspective, watch the attached YouTube clip and provide some insight into Hawthorne’s punch, Mouton’s punch, and Lewan’s own comments. It’s football. These are 18-22 year old kids. Kids lose their composure – it happens. Personally, I don’t think any players that throw punches during games are “dirty” – it’s football, it happens. Grow up.

    Did you happen to watch the UCLA / University of Arizona game tonight? There was a bench clearing brawl. Are you prepared to label both UCLA and UA “thug” programs because the student athletes lost their cool and fought one another on the field?

    What’s clear to me is that you probably haven’t played any organized sports in your entire life. I play in basketball and softball leagues. While fights are not commonplace, they actually do happen – and we’re talking about adults, the “average Joe” who works and uses sports as an outlet. When I was in both college at Michigan State and in law school at Indiana University, the same type of stuff happened – someone unnecessarily bumps into or knocks down another guy, and there’s some pushing and shoving. Generally, there is animosity – the d-bag frat guys, foreign students, all kinds of kids – and it’s played out on the field.

    Mike Hart, the former Michigan running back, called Michigan State “little brother”, disrespecting MSU football players instead of merely saying “great game, kudos to MSU for a hard fought game.” That insult has motivated our program. And, quite frankly, we hate them. But the fact that you’ve chosen to single out MSU football based on a single game is absolutely disingenuous and irresponsible.

    Watch this clip and provide your insight into the University of Michigan football program:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNVBc7p3luc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  • PaulGascoigne

    SILENCE. I love it. What a coward. A weak, sick, coward. No response at all, huh LTP? Are you shocked that the same team that shredded your beloved Wildcats in the second half and ripped your QB’s helmet off may also be a little “dirty” as you say?

  • Lake The Posts

    @all – thanks to a handful of Michigan State “fans” on this comment thread you’ve further compounded my negative vibes towards Sparty Nation this week. Yes, I’m a coward, that’s why I’m not replying to a thread from a blog post that is 10 posts ago and is buried in “older posts”.

    Actually I did look at the thread of comments and the last ones I checked were MSU fans posing as Rashidi Wheeler and Randy Walker, two Wildcats who are dead. I realized at that point, trying to engage in an actual dialogue was going to be pointless. After then checking today and being called a “weak, sick, coward” I had to reply.

    Actually, coward would define the Michigan State coaching staff at this point. They had every opportunity to make a stand and follow-through on the “building leaders” type messaging that appears in Mark Dantonio Big Ten Conference PSAs on TV. Instead, they let the Big Ten do the deed of suspending the player.

    Furthermore, when the MSU Athletic Director cites a “two second clip” and the leadership at MSU tries to point to it as a single moment of lapsed judgment and fails to acknowledge the same player had three separate acts is frustrating.

    To those that point out Jordan Kovacs and his de-helmeting of Dan Persa. No, we as NU fans aren’t comparing a play that the officials clearly blew and mistaking a moment within the action as an intentional personal foul. Comparing that play and Gholston jumping on a pile AFTER the whistle blew, the play was dead and THEN twisting a helmet 180 degrees aren’t comparable. Again, I could care less about Michigan and root for them to lose more often than win.

    Many of you cited the punch of Michigan’s player against Notre Dame. Terrible. No place for it. Others cited Floyd at Notre Dame and the DUI no suspension. I called out Brian Kelly for that on this blog. You want to go down the line…Ohio State? I agree with Kirk Herbstreit and the fact it was a joke those players weren’t suspended for the bowl game.
    I took them to task for it as well.
    Some will say Gholston was provoked. Perhaps he was and perhaps even the guy who is now wearing a cast as a result of the karate chop is a dirty player. I can only go by what I saw on the screen. To those pointing to my likely “never having played an organized sport” as a rationale for how I can’t conceivably see that Gholston shouldn’t have been punished by Michigan State, I actually did play competitive sports through college and yes I too have been provoked. Doesn’t justify a punch, twisted helmet with intent to injure or a karate chop while trying to fall on the guys arm.

    The point isn’t that Michigan State is the only one who does things to let down the Big Ten brand, it is the fact that I have seen overlooked by too many people and I don’t know why. The Chris Rucker decision last year raised my eyebrow, but really it was watching a game, objectively and getting ticked off at the lack of leadership by Dantonio that sparked the post.

    No, Northwestern isn’t impervious to stupid acts either. However, it is how the coach reacts and addresses the situation, in my opinion that makes the difference. I’ve got many good friends who are Michigan State fans and in conversations this week they’ve expressed “embarassment” at how the situation was handled. It doesn’t make me think any less of them, but it does underscore the point that I’m not going to take some of the above comments as representative of THE perspective of Michigan State fans.

    Go ahead and mock NU and our team which is very weak this year. Not going to get much of a defense from me about it. Indeed, we’d love to have a “nastier” streak for our “D”. Absolutely. But, between the whistles. If nastiness equates to winning and what I saw on Saturday is what it takes to win the division then best of luck. What goes around comes around.

  • PaulGascoigne

    Actually, you are a weak, sick coward – You use ONE GAME, yes, ONE GAME, to label and brand Michigan State football. Honest question: Do you know anything about our history, Michigan State University’s history? Do you know that the University of Michigan has, throughout our existence, consistently attempted to undermine our growth and success both academically and in athletics? Michigan unsuccessfully attempted to block MSU’s acceptance into the B1G. Michigan has tried, numerous times, over and over again, to keep MSU down. I would suggest you read further on the topic –

    Mike Hart’s “little brother” comment is consistent with Michigan’s attitude toward Michigan State. Their fans, alum, and university itself. That comment has motivated Dantonio and the Michigan State football program. To quote Black Flag: “they hate us, we hate them.” To quote Dantonio: “It’ll never end.”

    A few years ago I went to Crisler when Michigan State beat Michigan to clinch the B1G basketball title. Can I tell you how many times I heard “it’s okay, you’ll be working for me one day.” On a side note, I have a Michigan law alum working for me right now… but I disgress.

    The biggest failure in your blog, column, “outrage” – whatever it is, is your failure to consider the history, the hatred, everything about the rivalry (which, according to Michigan fans, does not exist – Ohio State is their rival, we’re not) when making your comments. How do you think the coaching staff felt about Mike Hart’s comments? So you’re willing to give Michigan a free pass for being classless, arrogant, and their general d-baggery, but you find Narduzzi’s comments shocking? LOL!!!

    You’re a Northwestern guy, right? You think Gholston twisted Denard’s head 180 degrees? Really guy? I suggest you watch the play and get yourself a plastic protractor from the book store and get back to me on your basic geometry. Me, personally, I think Gholston deserved the suspension. And Hollis said that MSU was looking at the entire game before making a decision on Gholston. Why do you have an issue with that? The kid deserves a little due process… There were actually two incidents involving Gholston: 1) twisting Denard’s head, 2) punching Lewan. In the first, it was completely uncalled for – no reason for it whatsoever. In the second, however, Gholston was facemasked by Lewan – SO why is there an issue if Hollis and MSU want to review the entire game, all the available footage of Gholston and Lewan. What if Lewan had facemasked Gholston 15 times before and it was never called? You don’t know that, do you? You haven’t reviewed the video. You have no idea what was going on between the two during the game.

    So I’m at least willing to give Gholston a free pass for the punch. Why? Because clearly he was provoked by the facemask. Read the column I’ve attached below regarding Lewan and let me know what you think…

    http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/nasty-taylor-lewan-is-ready-to-contribute-at-left-tackle-for-michigan/

    Gholston’s only unprovoked act was twisting Denard’s helmet. Again, completely irresponsible. The kid is a sophomore and playing Michigan. Do I need to point out again how much we hate Michigan? And how much they hate us? Gholston apologized to Hoke after the game and has been suspended by the B1G.

    But that’s not good enough for you, right? Because in your mind you believe that Gholston should have been suspended by Dantonio, right? Well, what responsibility do you think Hoke has for Hawthorne’s punch on the Notre Dame player? You know Hoke saw the punch. Are you going to write another column and demand that Hoke retroactively suspend Hawthorne for a game? I mean, if you’re going to call out Dantonio for not suspending Gholston for the punch then why not do the same with Hoke? Additionally, why not a suspension for ripping Persa’s helmet off?

    IN short, I consider you a victim – Yes, a victim. And a coward. And completely irresponsible. When I was prosecutor you were the kind of guy I liked to have on a jury – arrest a guy, he must be guilty. Case closed. Put the cop on the stand, let him testify, send the defendant off to department of corrections. I used to like guys like you because they don’t ask questions and rely on other people to give you the facts. Guys like you don’t break things down, although they THINK they do, which is kind of ironic.

    But yeah, you’re a victim. You’re a victim of the media. I’m sure you’ll read the Detroit papers and agree with yourself, make yourself feel good, knowing that Desmond Howard said he was embarrassed by Michigan State. But you won’t even get it although you think you will.

    I actually feel sad for you. I work with a guy from Northwestern law. He’s not much of a thinker, either. Book smart but not a thinker.

    Keep up the good work there Charlie.

    • Lake The Posts

      Yeah, you got me. I’ve got nothing better to do with my time than to upset Michigan State and only Michigan State fans. Perhaps you didn’t read the post or my response thoroughly. Why does it take a week to review a game tape that was available the moment the game ended? As a prosecutor, you should of anyone should know that if someone provokes you, say in a bar, and you retaliate with a punch to the face, you’re going to pay for it. As I tried to address pointing to other programs’ similar actions in not addressing punishment is not really the point. I called out ND’s Kelly for not punishing Floyd, Tressel for not suspending the players for the bowl game and on and on. The fact that Michigan State didn’t suspend him is a joke. End of story. What about the karate chop which seems to be omitted? I’ve heard the guy on Michigan is known to provoke, but he’s wearing a wrist cast thanks to that chop.

      As I said, I became an MSU fan after seeing Kirk Cousins speak in person b/c I believed in what he said. However, actions speak louder than words and MSU again missed an opportunity to show that their words are followed by actions. That’s all.

      Sparty played a great game last night and it was PENALTY FREE. Congrats. Best game I’ve seen since 2000. To your point about Hoke, yes, if that is what happened then I agree. To my angles, sorry, you’re right, he only snapped it 90-degrees, my bad, but that shouldn’t mean it’s half as bad!!!

      Isaiah Lewis then comes out after the game and says they’re going to hurt Wilson and you wonder about perception? C’mon. Try and conduct a hint of seeing what others might see.

      Good luck the rest of the way. Please don’t pin your “he went to NU and must be a rich arrogant” BS on me. Save it for Thanksgiving weekend when you beat an awful NU team by 40 and then you can really enjoy it.

      • PaulGascoigne

        You don’t quite seem to get it –

        First, getting provoked in a bar and retaliating is completely different than punching another player during sport. In fact, there are very few examples of amateur or professional athletes being charged criminally for what can be defined as “assault” in many jurisdictions. (The only example I can think of is an NHL player a few years ago and I am not even certain anyone was actually convicted). In the link I provided, Lewan clearly takes a tremendous amount of pride in playing dirty and provoking opponents.

        Next, coaching. The suggestion in your column is that Dantonio runs some kind of renegade free for all thug program. Really guy, really? Is MSU football on probation? Do we cheat? Have we been busted selling jerseys to tattoo parlours or having unauthorized practices? Dantonio is a very devout Christian. Guy is all class. So you’re going to label MSU a thug program based on essentially the actions of a sophomore in an emotional rivalry game? Yeah, makes sense… Maybe you should focus your energies on guys like Brian Kelly, whose clearly negligent decisions / acts caused the death of a student by putting the kid up on a lift with massive wind gusts.

        Here’s what I know now: You have the inability to actually research or investigate – you cannot look at the entire picture. You’re a follower – “Oh, it’s in the news so it must be true!”

        FACTS: I have provided you with evidence contradicting all of your points regarding MSU football and still, nothing.

        LOOK, it’s football. Shit happens. Kids lose their composure. End of story. You cannot label MSU a thug program based on one kid in one game. We hate Michigan. I hate Michigan. MSU players hate Michigan. For the most part, anyone that goes to MSU hates Michigan.

        Michigan came into MSU undefeated, they switched their uniforms to the bumble bee uniforms just prior to the game, which I’m sure pissed our guys off even more, and we punched them in the face. Again. For the fourth time. We’re too physical. We’re better. Michigan can’t handle it. Their fanbase is going berserk. GO check out their message boards, they’re in meltdown mode. You just happened to get caught up in it. The media slurps Michigan. That’s one of the reasons why MSU has always had an “us against the world” mentality.

        ON a side note, my wife when to Northwestern and the Wildcats have always been my second favorite B10 team. Zack Kustock was one of my favorite QBs ever. Loved that kid -

  • PaulGascoigne

    LTP,

    Let me guess, your next blog post will discuss how clean MSU played against Wisconsin tonight – ZERO PENALTIES in one of the most exciting college football games of the year, without Gholston. Or maybe you can write from the Bucky perspective and report whether or not Bielema said that Bucky “stubbed [their] toe” again this year instead of acknowledging that Michigan State flat out beat them. LOL!!!!

    • Lake The Posts

      Actually, just reading this AFTER my post this morning and the MSU game was the first thing in my NU breakdown as that game was a helluva lot more fun to watch as opposed to NU’s broken record implosion. Congrats on the best finish I’ve seen in memory.
      With all due respect to Sparty fans, we’ve got much bigger issues at NU than worrying about MSU at this point.

    • The better lawyer

      Dude, come off it, you’re not the Only One With the Courage to Speak the Truth, you’re just a trolling name-calling thoroughly unpersuasive homer, and an amazingly angry one at that. You’re the sheep you like on juries, or even worse, you’re a defense lawyer. You aren’t proceeding from facts to conclusions, you’re just spinning in support of your preconceived narrative. You cherry-pick whatever bits you can find that might diminish Gholston’s culpability or make Dantonio seem like a stand-up guy, no matter how irrelevant (devout Christian? Seriously?). You ignore whatever you can’t justify or excuse (the judo chop, Narduzzi’s post-game remarks). And then you turn an about-face and justify it all because its FOOTBAWL and Mike Hart said that thing that time and the media dumps on MSU and MSU hates Michigan? First, I thought you said there was nothing exceptional that needed justifying. Second, who cares who hates who? You gotta play within the rules, and when your team so consistently doesn’t and your coaches say the things in public that your coaches have said, especially Narduzzi, it’s pretty reasonable to reach exactly the conclusion LTP and essentially every thinking non-MSU fan reached – MSU lacks class, lacks sportsmanship, and doesn’t seem to play the game the right way, at least in the Michigan-MSU rivalry.

      • whoops

        That was a response to Paul, not LTP, in case that’s not completely obvious.

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