Pathetic Crowd Support Captured First HandThe major black eye of the 'Cats season opening win was the ridiculous attendance of 17,857. To give you a true perspective of how embarassing this lack of support is, consider the following:
Seventy-one FBS teams hosted games this past weekend. Northwestern ranked 66th in attendance. Here is the bottom of the barrel of support for week one:
66 - Northwestern - 17,857
67 - New Mexico State - 16,772
68 - Kent State - 16,481
69 - Bowling Green - 14,514
70- Ball State - 16,054
70 - Eastern Michigan - 14,499
71 - UAB - 14,316
If that wasn't enough to make you cough up your breakfast, then try this on for size. When you use the percentage of stadium capacity metric, Northwestern's season opener looks even worse. Northwestern is one of only three teams in the country that had less than 40% of capacity in week one. Here are the lowly numbers:
69. Tulane -39.61%
70. Northwestern - 37.89%
71. UAB - 19.88%
Before you give me the BS about the students not being in school, remember our student section seats approximately 5,000 and there were about, oh, let's call it 1,000 students there. You pack our student section and you're barely in the 20,000s.
Folks, attendance is not just bad. It's bottom of Division I bad. Start doing something about it. Call your friends and get them to the Eastern Michigan game. If every season ticket holder brings two additional fans we're there. That's how this is going to happen. A movement by existing NU fans to recruit non-NU alums who we can get into our web of Saturday traditions. Give it a try and let me know about it. Considering Eastern Michigan draws even LESS than Northwestern, it will be a complete effort to push the needle into respect-ville which I put at 30,000 fans. Enough is enough. I did a brief interview on WNUR last night and discussed the issue of attendance - click here to hear it - and turn to you for your support. I feel a tad awkward lashing out here as it is akin to a priest ripping his parishoners in attendance for the empty seats. If you read this daily, I know you feel the same pain. The attendance is the last hurdle to full respectability in the BCS pantheon of which we're always squawking about.
Any of you who believe we're on even par in recruiting based on performance need to stop kidding yourself. Our recruits can only come to select games for fear of our coaching staff being embarassed by empty seats. I've said it before and I'll say it again. A kid coming to NU on a gameday who has visited say Notre Dame and Michigan State has a different impression. The teammates here can be the best guys in the world and they may love the coach, but dreaming of running out of a tunnel into a blinding reflection of empty bleachers doesn't exactly stir the soul.
You want real-time proof? You got it. Four star California RB Cameron Roberson recently announced it's between Notre Dame and Northwestern. If we land Cameron, the 2010 class instantly goes from good to great. He's one of the more highly touted recruits we will have landed, especially at the skill position slot. Guess where he was this weekend? At a sold out Notre Dame Stadium soaking up gameday atmosphere of the highest order in the Irish's 35-0 rout of Nevada. Here's what Rivals.com had to say about it:
"Roberson said the visit pulled Notre Dame even with Northwestern in the race for his commitment. He hopes to visit Northwestern in the near future. "It's still a battle between Notre Dame and Northwestern. It could go either way, " he said. "I'm still not sure about visiting Northwestern. I don't have an exact date. I'm looking to make my decision in the next couple of weeks. I have a lot of thinking to do. "
All I could think was "Dear God, please don't visit Evanston next week!" Can you imagine going from the ND gameday experience to the photo above? Yikes. Even the Minnesota game projects to be a 30,000-er. Here's your date Cameron - Halloween. Sorry, that's the only day we can have you! Folks, I'm telling you it matters. It would matter to me if I were a player and it should matter to all of us. I don't care what we have to do to fill the stadium, but we need to do it. Together. Northwestern's marketing is not going to put butts in seats. It is up to us. I expect to see the LTP Ticket Counter blitz past the goal this week. If you're a student, march up to the athletic department and ask them for a commission program that you could take to fellow students and hit the streets. Take 15% of every ticket you sell and you'll have enough beer money to have a party every Friday night. Business owners, buy season tickets and force your workers to go to games to sample the product. Spend the money we''re not spending on any media anywhere and use it to shuttle underprivileged families and kids to the games for free. Whatever it takes. The time is now.
Man have we got a lot of work to do. And it's Labor Day! Go figure. LTP will be back tomorrow with the CBSSports.com BlogPoll and you can end the suspense - Northwestern did not make it this week. Lots of great stuff to get into with Eastern Michigan, but we'll start tomorrow.
Field Trip
Perhaps Jim Phillips and staff should take a field trip this week to Dallas to meet with SMU officials. I'm not kidding. SMU sold-out it's season opener - against - get this - Stephen F. Austin. Granted the local draw of the opponent definitely helped, but SMU has been miserable and is about 14th on the in-state depth chart of football teams. As you can read here they had a 2009 Sellout Committee (which at SMU could be taken the wrong way!). The Mustangs packed 34,749 into their 32,000 seat stadium making them - get this - #2 in the nation in week one for percent of capacity (108.59%). There have got to be lessons learned from a similarly challenged fan base in a large market with a small alumni base.
Hot Dog!
Despite Jim Phillips' acknowledging the fact he's addressed concessions in the Saturday tribune article, LTP received an irritated fan email ( I get them EVERY SINGLE game) about the fact that a concession stand ran out of hot dogs at halftime. You've got to be kidding - did they plan for 10,000 fans?
Sutton Is A Pro!
Congratulations to Tyrell Sutton who was picked-up by the Carolina Panthers off waivers and is officially on the team. Sutton was on the sidelines for Saturday's game and I know he knows we're all pulling for him. Click here to see the official release from the Panthers. Someone needs to step up with an "N" flag from NC!
33 comments:
If you are a season ticket holder, it would behoove you to use the free ticket that comes with each sheet of season tickets. It gives you a free ticket to one of the non-conference home games.
I appreciate LTP's realistic and appropriate tone while being critical of the attendance issue. While being a fan of Northwestern football it is without a doubt incredibly important and a relief to see a program that now expects to win and be in a bowl game every year.
That being said there is more to just a football program besides games and the players. What makes college football and the Big Ten conference unique is the perceived quality, history, and EXPERIENCE of Midwestern football that makes it such a great event.
I do not want to hear more excuses from this bunch about the lack of alumni, school size or when classes begin. This university has the capability in both its current students and alumni to advertise the hell out of one of the larger media markets in America. Along with begin blessed for location NU has a major pipeline of potential student athletes right at its doorstep. If the program or the school can't even fill its stadium to half capacity how does that reflect on a team and organization people should take seriously? First impressions mean quite a bit (right or wrong its a fact) and how you look is almost as important with what it is you do.
It will be up to the university or its alumni to turn this problem around and right now I look at whats been accomplished on a fairly simple blog and right now I must say I have more confidence in this group then the university for turning around the attendance woes. Actions speak louder then words friends, you in Chicagoland who follow this site are doing your best, but now its time for the bigger players to step up and give it their all.
They also didn't have several water fountains on from what I found. The water coolers were out of water by half.
It was Towson. That had to account for at least 3-5% of seats as well.
I'm not even sure attendance is half of the gameday atmosphere from a recruiting perspective, at least in our non-con schedule. A decent atmosphere for those who do attend games would make up for the empty seats, but the crowds just make things worse.
There are only four things that get people off their butts during games: the National Anthem, empty pizza boxes, free t-shirts, and free hot dogs. Aside from having Fitz run up and down the sideline with a hot dog cannon during third downs, I really don't know how we can make the people who do attend games actually care about what's going on and make noise.
I know I shouldn't be bashing those who do buy tickets, but if I'm an unaffiliated Chicagoan looking to enjoy midwestern football, the apathy from the crowd would be more of a turnoff than the empty seats. And that may very well be the case for some recruits, as well.
Just heard your interview on WNUR. Glad you touched on the family crowds.
Pros of going after families:
-More potential ticket sales per targeted adult
-More concession revenue
Cons of going after families:
-Poor atmosphere
-Turns off young adult fans
-Hard to get consistent attendance since many weekends are filled with kids' commitments
Next year it would be nice to see some purple billboards downtown, advertising the fact that you can there's college football on the el. There are a lot of non-Big Ten grads in this town that miss college football and would love to adopt a good team like NU (provided we stay good).
"College Football On The El"
"It's called the Purple Line for a reason"
"Chicago's Only College Football Team" (or chicagolands if you want to be picky)
"Remembering the Alamo is not enough"
"Bowling league, Saturday mornings this fall" (with a picture of Wooton crushing somebody)
Seriously. Who can miss a purple billboard / white text /picture of a football player. I'm not a marketer so I'm sure you can improve those slogans but something like that.
At the same time you need to make
For the Towson and EMU type games, just give the tickets away right now if you have to. Get people hooked for free. Do promotions at bars in the city - especially those associated with out-of-conference schools. Make NU gear more available for purchase in the city.
The school also needs to do more w/r/t indoctrinating incoming students with a love for NU football. I was lucky enough to experience the last year of the true student tailgates (98) - after that, student interest dropped somewhat. NU also has a large international student base that might not necessarily understand football well, but existing students have to be treated as the alums of tomorrow, and you have to get them to like the school and its teams when they're there. I'm a relatively young alum and it's short of shocking how few of my classmates return to Evanston for games. (yes, despite me picking up the phone to encourage them).
Mr. Cranky: As a part of the class of 2006, there's never a point where it becomes less disheartening to see virtually no other graduates my age at games.
Forgot to mention one thing that I think the marketing folks can focus on more and that's getting fans to wear purple. They can't make them make noise or stand up during games, but I think at the very least an increase in purple in the stands is a reasonable goal. Put "Wear Purple" everywhere. On tickets. On signs inside and outside the stadium. Make people think about wearing purple before they attend the next game. Even among those who wear Northwestern gear, I see way too many gray t-shirts and black hats.
And that can easily tie into promotions. Maybe a free hotdog for any fan 14 and under wearing a purple shirt. Or buy one, get one free.
I completely agree with NorthwesternHighlights comments. I have never seen anything like the apathy of fans at Ryan Field. Not at any level...from Jr High to Arena League to the pros. I stop short of calling NU fans the worst--as apathy is better than booing your own team--but I'm completely dumbfounded by the lack of enthusiasm shown by those that do show up.
After all the historic failures this program has suffered, how can you not be excited about the success of this team? How can you you sit in your seat and not even applaud when NU scores? The atmosphere is like a picnic in the park.
Stand up and cheer when NU scores. Make some noise when the defense gets ready for 3rd down. And when the defense shuts down the opposition in the first half--even if it is Towson--how about a standing ovation when they leave the field as the special team players come out for 4th down?
Someone please explain to me why these things don't happen. It feeds into the pretentious stereotypes of Northwestern when everyone acts as though they're too good to cheer. The Ohio State graduate (me) should not be the most supportive fan in your section.
Additional thought: get the band on the field for the first game. I know students aren't back, but organize the alumni band and current members that would like to show up. I have to believe that band alumni would jump at the opportunity to march across the field again.
NU has made a lot of improvements this season under Phillips in terms of marketing efforts - lots of bundling tickets and family-targeted campaigns - all of which are a good step.
But the fact is that the price of a single-game ticket is still too expensive and drives off a lot of people. Yes, us hard-core NU fans understand the value that's there, but many find the $30/ticket for a NC a very steep price (especially those with families). Some people aren't willing to take the effort of going through details of promotions and this price drives them off at first glance.
Yes, keep B10 game ticket prices higher, but NU needs to lower the nonconference game ticket prices. I STILL know many NU alums with families who won't come unless I can find NU fans with extra tickets willing to sell for less than face value.
jhodges--I really feel the prices are extremely low already. Compared to other Division 1 programs and sports alternatives in Chicago, I'd argue it's one of the best deals available.
Here's what I have to do for OSU tix: I have to pay $75 to join the alumni association in order to have the CHANCE of getting tickets. Next step, I agree to pay $130 for the possibility of 2 tickets. If I'm selected in the lottery, my credit card is charged and the university determines which game I get. Can't make it to the game against almighty Kent State? Too bad...you just paid $205 for 2 tickets.
Mr Marbles, I agree that NU tickets are a great value; unfortunately it's pretty obvious that supply is way above demand at the current prices, especially for nonconference games. Therefore, the next logical step is to lower the prices. Once people realize that NU football is a good value and start packing the place, then it's time to raise prices. Until then, the easiest way to get people in the seats is to lower prices.
Also, regarding NUMB, if the athletic department forked over the money to put up NUMB (or at least those who can make it) a week before band camp, they could likely field a band. I doubt this would put many additional people in the seats, but I agree it would be nice (I was in NUMB for 5 years and it annoyed me that we couldn't prepare and take the field for the first game). Do note that other schools are in the same predicament with the quarter system - only the biggest and best funded schools put bands on the field so far before classes start.
Which sports alternatives aren't a great deal when compared to NU? You could see the Cubs play the Reds for the same price - or cheaper - than you could see Northwestern play what's essentially a minor league team. The Cubs game also has beer and doesn't start at 11am.
And you can't compare NU to Ohio State. Two of our peer institutions (Duke and Vandy) have ticket prices for FCS games that are $10-$15 cheaper. Duke drew 30k-plus to a FCS game. Cheap tickets + night game + city with no pro sports = attendance.
The Towson game is a game of last resort; if you only have the time and money to see one NU game a year, why not see the 'Cats play a decent opponent? Once the conference games sell out consistently, then people will be suckered into watching NU play a tune-up game.
When I lived in Atlanta, I don't remember Georgia Tech advertise much in the paper other than season tickets, and I don't remember many billboards either. I can't compare NU advertising in the Sun-Times/Trib because, like (I assume) most people my age I don't have a newspaper subscription. The basketball team advertised in the Red Eye last year but as far as I can recall, the football team hasn't.
Re the crowd atmosphere. I agree that the fans are very apathetic, and going after families to fill the seats probably won't change that much.
We need an "all-of-the-above" approach for now though, at least as far as getting bodies at the games.
But those of us at the games can make ourselves heard a little better. I got some purple cowbells (the alpine dingdingding kind, not the saturday night live tock tock tock kind) and distributed them to my group of rowdy season ticket holders. We use them on kickoffs, third downs on D, first downs on offense. They are also useful for stomp/clap chants, just beat them on the bleachers.
I saw somebody else a few sections also had a cowbell like this.
Technically they may not be allowed - the Ryan Field website says no noisemakers or instruments - but they're very easy to smuggle in and cheap to replace if they were to get confiscated.
Since the idea struck me just before the first game, I had to order $50 worth to get them overnight, so I have about 40 extra purple cowbells that I'd be willing to distribute to appropriately dedicated season ticket holders as the season progresses. Maybe LTP can set something up? I don't want to just hand them out willy-nilly and then not have them be used to make NOISE.
oh another thing...put the fight song words on the big screen and the small scoreboards like they do at bears games.
Here is an idea that I have to increase ticket sales. I know myself and a lot of friends use Groupon all the time. I have yet to see a groupon that doesn't generate at least 1000 orders. What if the athletic department worked with groupon to offer a three pack or just a single game ticket at a great price. I think it would generate a ton of sales and hit a lot of people who typically wouldn't even think of going.
I think a lot of people here are talking about what the athletic department can do, etc., when LTP's point is that it is quite obvious that NU isn't going to do a damn thing about this themselves, which leads to the question, what can *we* do as the most dedicated fans (outside of having our suggestions fall on deaf ears at the athletic department (see concession issues)).
As a young alum, one of the biggest differences I see between NU and other "big time" programs is before kickoff: TAILGATING. Often the biggest reason to attend a college football game isn't even college football (especially for out of conference games against no-name opponents). I spent my Saturdays growing up in Ann Arbor, and I'm now in SEC/ACC country (Atlanta, GA). The atmosphere on these campuses is ELECTRIC compared to NU, and trust me, it does make a difference. You can't walk through campus without being amazed by the spirit and the excitement. There's literally people everywhere you look, having a great time, and before kickoff there's a steady stream of people walking toward the stadium.
On Saturday, I met plenty of people who weren't even going to the Georgia Tech v Jacksonville State game, but they were on campus at sunrise tailgating. Same goes for the Bama-VA Tech game downtown in the Georgia Dome. Fans drove from Tuscaloosa and Blacksburg just to tailgate in Atlanta all day and then stumble to a sports bar to watch the game.
Tailgating is universal. And it's a great reason to continue the party and attend the game too. What's a better way to publicize NU football to Chicagoland non-NU alums than that?
It's partially the general apathy at NU, the campus set up (the SPAC tailgates are hidden away from Sheridan Rd and over a mile from Ryan Field), and the 11 AM kickoffs, but NU just doesn't compare. But I think it's a good place to start. If your friends aren't interested in NU football (or football at all), invite them to the giant tailgate you're throwing this weekend, even if they can just stop by for 30 minutes. It's amazing what a juicy burger, a cold beer, and a game of cornhole can do.
Regarding ticket prices, the ticket office has a dilemma. If they lower non-conference ticket prices, they lose a lot of money from people who have season tickets since those prices have to be lowered, as well. What they do now is offer deep discounts after tickets are on sale, such as $13 for tickets to the Towson game for people who live in the North Shore. Heck, thanks to the free ticket voucher that came with my season tickets and the $10 non-conference ticket Pepsi promotion at Meet the Team Night, I got my brother 3 tickets for a total of $20 (no fees). The problem there is that it's hard to get the word out about the low prices when it's only a few weeks before the game and pretty much the only people who see it are those that visit nusports.com.
One plus side of the terrible attendance is that nobody told me to sit down when I was cheering. That's because the 4 or 5 rows behind me were empty...and I'm in row 1.
@NorthwesternHighlights - I have season tickets that are slowly moving closer and closer toward the 50. We stay closer to NUMB and the students regardless for the express reason that we don't want to be told to sit down when we are cheering.
The Riz: I'm in 131 and only half a section away from the band. This is my first year in that row, but last year in row 15 in 131, I was told to sit down quite a few times. I'm not sure we're safe anywhere outside of the student section or an empty area.
With regards to campus feel, I think that has to do with campus size, layout, and legal enforcement.
Having so many upperclassmen living in "downtown Evanston" in their plush apartments is a killer for "gameday experience" because even if the 4 Seniors in Evanston Place are huge NU fans, they'll be grilling in their apartment and drinking beer in their apartment. You never see them.
The only "action" you see on gameday is off-campus. The problem is that west of campus is a labyrinth of streets that include many non-students. So students don't have a street (arguably Garnett and Hamlin. arguably.) that they can blast music at 9 AM with everyone down the block. So you get these isolated tailgate pregames that gives a very staccato feel when walking off-campus on gameday.
The final problem is law enforcement. Personal politics aside, strict enforcement of underage drinking and open container laws are a buzzkill for the student body. If downing a beer while walking from off-campus tailgate to off-campus tailgate wasn't the equivalent of Evanston PD Frogger, more students would do it. Instead, you pick an off-campus house and that's where you are. I went to the Michigan game and was double-fisting from the campus's main drag over to the stadium. I wasn't 21 and the cops didn't care. There were people prancing around the streets and it made the entire feel much more enjoyable.
I'm not making excuses. I'm doing my best to get fellow students excited, but there is a bookish atmosphere overcome. And for those who are more interested in the beer than the football, the university and Evanston gets in the way. Not that we want 40,000 drunkards filling up Ryan Field, but they fill the seats and make some noise (go check the average BAC at the Horseshoe or the Big House and compare it to Ryan Field).
Apologies for the long comment.
There is no Fitz show on the big ten network. This hurts recruiting and attendance, lowering valuable media exposure. Nu is the only big team team without a coach's show and they have their own adio/visual/tv dept. so they could produce it cheaply.
The marketing efforts are terrible as usual. Northshore people are used to the best so for northshore community Day they offer the worst seats to the worst opponents.A failed promotion. One bad idea after another.We better hope there is no rain Saturday or there will be 6-8000 there.
I think SmokeOnTheWater has it right, there's just no unity to the gameday experience like you have at other schools. I believe the gameday atmosphere was irrevocably ruined when the frats were forced to go dry for their east lot tailgates (and in consequence, not have them at all). My freshman year ('96) was what got me hooked on NU football for life, and not just because we were great. It was such a fun and memorable part of my undergrad time at those parties, and now the east lot is barren. While I understand the University could probably not reinstate them due to the underage drinking issue, I don't see how you can get the students motivated without something other than the game itself to experience.
Maybe another reason to support lowering the drinking age to 18.
@Lunker - I think Groupon is a GREAT idea! I hope you don't mind, but I forwarded your suggestion to the marketing department. I have seen groupons for various sporting events quite often, and could see this having a noticeable impact on a couple games.
Keep winning and the fans will come. You can only be so close to Chicago, USA and have NU football be ignored for so long... (yes I know the program has made it's case for relevancy since 1996 but these things can take time I guess?....).
But just talking to friends on Saturdays in recent years (mostly Badger fans (I'm a Milwaukeean), disgusted by the fact that UW gets "upset" by the Cats every few years... lol. Not sure how long you can consider that an "upset"- the last game of this year will be fun..) I can tell you that NU is starting to get some legitimate street cred.
It would be nice to make some more significant inroads into the behemoth Chicago market-- drawing 15,000+ Chicagoans is doable, right?. Non-Big 10 grads, non-grads (and interested college football fans) heck even non-NU Big 10 grads, have to enjoy live college football just minutes from their front door, no?.
It shouldn't be that difficult a task. 15,000 is a drop in the bucket of the Windy metropolis.
I never went to NU. But I respect, follow, and admire the program a great deal. I think Pat Fitzgerald, though not intentionally promoted so quickly, is a great choice for head coach of this program.
The future looks bright- heck maybe this recruit you speak of will spurn Charlie Weiss and the Irish for Evanston (even if the gameday experience is somewhat smaller-scale)*. I think we can all agree that NU has just a little bit to offer- academically and in athletics. Notice continues to be served.
Groupon does sound like a great idea, but I'm a firm believer that winning CONSISTENTLY will go a long way. Look at Rutgers. 5 years ago they weren't a very good team and their average attendance was worse than ours. 5 winning seasons later and that attendance has almost doubled.
Obviously our situations are different, but if we go to bowl games in, say, 3 of the next 4 years, or 7 of the next 10, I would be shocked if our average attendance weren't at least close to 40k.
I must admit I didn't know about Groupon until three minutes ago, but seeing this on their site makes me hope a Northwestern variant is possible. A great idea.
http://www.groupon.com/chicago/deals/chicago-fire-game-6-27
Roberson just committed to Notre Dame...
He said, "I talked to a bunch of the players, and they told me pretty much after they graduate, all the connections you have, and the degree you get from there, and that kind of got it going. Then I thought about it a little more, and I kind of got that thought of going there. Then I think the campus tour finalized it. Pretty much visiting all the facilities and looking at some of the history that's been at that school."
I don't mind that you forwarded it. I thought of it a few weeks ago and I really should have emailed Tracy by now. I think it could be great if they could work something out. I know I've seen the Fire on there a few times.
@NorthwesternHighlights - I'm in Row 10 section 131 and I say stand up all you want. I was the only one standing in the lower half of section 131 on every kick-off and third down (my minimum standing times out of respect for families) Yes, some guys told me to sit down because "It's only Towson", but that's not stopping me from enjoying the game. By the end of the first half, I had a handful of people that remembered how to stand up and cheer (and even shake their keys at kickoffs). Join us and have your fun too!
@Lunker - Groupon = Great Idea
@LTP - I haven't sold any tickets yet, but that doesn't mean I haven't been working on my friends/co-workers. I'm not going to blame the fact that most of my fraternity moved out of the state after college or the fact that most nerds don't really enjoy football :) Time for an email blast for this Saturday.
Go Cats!
I'm one of those guys who spent too much time chasing little kids and not enough adding to the game atmosphere.
But I leveraged my family season tickets and the free coupons on the back to take my 10-year old and five of his classmates (the most I could fit in my car), all in purple t-shirts I picked up on sale at Let's Tailgate a few weeks ago when I went down to trade in my free ticket coupons. One of these kids is the son of Wisconsin and Illinois alums who actually wore his Illinois sweatshirt until it got too warm. Another, when I first met him, was wearing an Izzone shirt from his MSU grandfather (his father went to Miami). A third's father went to Indiana.
Although they spent as much time ssearching under the benches for those helmet race game cards that would get them a whole dollar off a concession item (which none of them ever actually used) as they did watching the actual game, every one of them will jump at the next chance to go down there with us.
It may not help a lot this year but maybe pay off down the line.
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